To Overclock or not to overclock... that is the question.

Calyxa · 10-13-2004, 06:50 PM

To Overclock or not to overclock... that is the question.

Ok here are the specs on my archaic pc:
Do not laugh too hard ~

[System Summary]
OS Name Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
Version 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Build 2195
System Manufacturer IBM
System Model 2276
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~567 Mhz
BIOS Version 09/14/00
Total Physical Memory 129,456 KB
Available Physical Memory 6,956 KB
Total Virtual Memory 1,265,956 KB
Available Virtual Memory 954,436 KB
Page File Space 1,136,500 KB
Ram: 129,456 mb
AT/AT Compatible

I would like to o/c it but I don’t even know if I can. What do you think?
Would you just replace the cpu on a system like this? I just need the thing to stop freezing!

technobeast · 10-14-2004, 12:24 AM

I have bad news for you Cal. Although you have a great CPU (allows more than 50% overclock) the manufacturer is IBM. They somehow change their BIOSes and nothing can be done to change frequency/multiplier/anything. I tried with my IBM PL/300 P2@350MHz but eventually got to the news I brought to you.
Oh and something else - the RAM. I have 128 on this P2 and tried to get another 128 MB PC133 from the other PC - didn't work. Probably the MB works with some types/brands of memories - the others just fit in slot

.
So that's the news. Sorry I was the one to bring them. Save some money and build a new one.

Alex

igalan · 10-14-2004, 12:18 PM

I don't overclock, not worth for me

. MY XP2500+ is running at stock speed, which means that it runs cool even on those hot days of summer after playing FarCry on-line for hours

.

What I would do if you want to keep your computer for some more time is add more RAM. 256 MB will improve, 512 is better, but I don't think you need more. I don't know about your hardrive, but that may be another upgrade (and I prefer to replace a drive for a the new which will be faster than to just plug a new drive).

Calyxa · 10-14-2004, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by technobeast
I have 128 on this P2 and tried to get another 128 MB PC133 from the other PC - didn't work. Probably the MB works with some types/brands of memories - the others just fit in slot .
So that's the news. Sorry I was the one to bring them. Save some money and build a new one.

Alex

i was afraid of that! Also, i did buy new ram for my pc. i had one slot filled when i brought the pc, and i brought a 64mb card MegaBytes brand, think and put it in. It worked fine. But then i went out and brought a bigger card of another brand and it wouldnt fit at all. It had the correct number of pins, but it was just an eight of an inch too big for the slot.

Sadness....

igalan · 10-15-2004, 03:22 AM

You need the correct memory type: PC133, not DDR. Get two 128 MB PC133 sticks or one 256 MB stick PC133 (check your motherboard manual to see if you can get high density -4 chip sticks- or low density -8 chips-).

igalan · 10-15-2004, 03:33 AM

BTW, I think that 566 MHz isn't a stock speed. The bus speed should be 100 or 133 MHz, with this speed you can have a multiplier of 4, 4.5 or 5 (other values are possible for faster P-III) which gives: 400, 450, 500, 533, 600, 666. There has never been a P-III 533 or 666, that leaves 400, 450, 500, 600. If the CPU is running at 566 with a bus of 133 MHz, the multiplier should be 4,2556 (not allowed) or if bus is 100 then 5,66 (also not possible). So unless you already overclocked you FSB I don't understand what is going on here

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technobeast · 10-15-2004, 04:26 AM

Not like that. It could be Celeron and bus would be 66 MHz.
And other thing - the brand of the PC is IBM. I don't want to tell bad things but PC133 SDRAM of various brands may not run on this PC (no matter of single or double sided) - it fits in slot, but PC doesn't recognize it. IBM is IBM

. And especially old desktop systems like hers and mine. Locked (do not allow OC), run with some brands or RAM, etc problems as I would call them

igalan · 10-15-2004, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by technobeast
Not like that. It could be Celeron and bus would be 66 MHz.

You're right, this must be a Celeron 566, 66 MHz bus, 8.5 multiplier

.

Quote:

And other thing - the brand of the PC is IBM. I don't want to tell bad things but PC133 SDRAM of various brands may not run on this PC (no matter of single or double sided) - it fits in slot, but PC doesn't recognize it. IBM is IBM

. And especially old desktop systems like hers and mine. Locked (do not allow OC), run with some brands or RAM, etc problems as I would call them [/b]

Right again

. Some old models used custom memory sticks. So better be sure and check the type of memory before purchasing. Check the specs on the web-site if they're still there!

the hunter · 10-15-2004, 07:22 AM

If it is a celleron, couldnt she drop in a 950 cell like I did with this one? I was thinking of the biggest possible bang for the least amount of dollars. This board is an aopen ax33, and had a 128 ram, and a 633 celleron. going to the 950, and 512 of ram made a big difference.

igalan · 10-15-2004, 07:55 AM

If the BIOS supports this, the mobo can run at 100 MHz instead of 66 MHz and memory is PC-100 no problem. But there are many variables, and IBM computers are not designed for easy upgrades...

Calyxa · 10-15-2004, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by igalan
You need the correct memory type: PC133, not DDR. Get two 128 MB PC133 sticks or one 256 MB stick PC133 (check your motherboard manual to see if you can get high density -4 chip sticks- or low density -8 chips-).

My Mobo didn't come w. a manual but i'm currently searching online for one.
But i just used cpu-z to look at my mobo and cpcu and memory settings after i read your post and omg....
I think i've got two diff. types of memory! Yikes!

Slot#1

Calyxa · 10-15-2004, 10:01 PM

I supose i'll dumb the pc125 stick and get another pc133 stick

Slot #2

the hunter · 10-15-2004, 10:19 PM

Ok Cally, those 2 sticks should work ok, as I recall, its just that the fastest stick will run at the speed of the slowest stick. there is not enough varriation to make any difference.

technobeast · 10-16-2004, 12:04 AM

Hehe. PC125 is actually imaginative definition. It was an overclocked PC100 with faster chips (8ns instead of 10 I think) back in the old days. But never mind. If you can dump it... ok and find several PC133 ones to try which will work on your MB (if any works).

10-13-2004, 06:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Calyxa Something is broken Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 305	To Overclock or not to overclock... that is the question. To Overclock or not to overclock... that is the question. Ok here are the specs on my archaic pc: Do not laugh too hard ~ [System Summary] OS Name Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional Version 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Build 2195 System Manufacturer IBM System Model 2276 System Type X86-based PC Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~567 Mhz BIOS Version 09/14/00 Total Physical Memory 129,456 KB Available Physical Memory 6,956 KB Total Virtual Memory 1,265,956 KB Available Virtual Memory 954,436 KB Page File Space 1,136,500 KB Ram: 129,456 mb AT/AT Compatible I would like to o/c it but I don’t even know if I can. What do you think? Would you just replace the cpu on a system like this? I just need the thing to stop freezing! __________________ "We are a spirit, we are a natural part of the earth, and all of our ancestors, all of our relations who have gone to the spirit world, they are here with us. That's power." - John Trudell

10-14-2004, 12:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
technobeast The Grim Reaper! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 2,387	I have bad news for you Cal. Although you have a great CPU (allows more than 50% overclock) the manufacturer is IBM. They somehow change their BIOSes and nothing can be done to change frequency/multiplier/anything. I tried with my IBM PL/300 P2@350MHz but eventually got to the news I brought to you. Oh and something else - the RAM. I have 128 on this P2 and tried to get another 128 MB PC133 from the other PC - didn't work. Probably the MB works with some types/brands of memories - the others just fit in slot . So that's the news. Sorry I was the one to bring them. Save some money and build a new one. Alex __________________ Liked this post and found it helpful? Click on the image under my avatar to add to my reputation

10-15-2004, 04:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
technobeast The Grim Reaper! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 2,387	Not like that. It could be Celeron and bus would be 66 MHz. And other thing - the brand of the PC is IBM. I don't want to tell bad things but PC133 SDRAM of various brands may not run on this PC (no matter of single or double sided) - it fits in slot, but PC doesn't recognize it. IBM is IBM . And especially old desktop systems like hers and mine. Locked (do not allow OC), run with some brands or RAM, etc problems as I would call them __________________ Liked this post and found it helpful? Click on the image under my avatar to add to my reputation

10-16-2004, 12:04 AM	#14 (permalink)
technobeast The Grim Reaper! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 2,387	Hehe. PC125 is actually imaginative definition. It was an overclocked PC100 with faster chips (8ns instead of 10 I think) back in the old days. But never mind. If you can dump it... ok and find several PC133 ones to try which will work on your MB (if any works). __________________ Liked this post and found it helpful? Click on the image under my avatar to add to my reputation

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10-14-2004, 12:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
igalan PCTT Articles Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Barcelona, SPAIN Posts: 1,018	I don't overclock, not worth for me . MY XP2500+ is running at stock speed, which means that it runs cool even on those hot days of summer after playing FarCry on-line for hours . What I would do if you want to keep your computer for some more time is add more RAM. 256 MB will improve, 512 is better, but I don't think you need more. I don't know about your hardrive, but that may be another upgrade (and I prefer to replace a drive for a the new which will be faster than to just plug a new drive).

10-15-2004, 03:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
igalan PCTT Articles Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Barcelona, SPAIN Posts: 1,018	You need the correct memory type: PC133, not DDR. Get two 128 MB PC133 sticks or one 256 MB stick PC133 (check your motherboard manual to see if you can get high density -4 chip sticks- or low density -8 chips-).

10-15-2004, 03:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
igalan PCTT Articles Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Barcelona, SPAIN Posts: 1,018	BTW, I think that 566 MHz isn't a stock speed. The bus speed should be 100 or 133 MHz, with this speed you can have a multiplier of 4, 4.5 or 5 (other values are possible for faster P-III) which gives: 400, 450, 500, 533, 600, 666. There has never been a P-III 533 or 666, that leaves 400, 450, 500, 600. If the CPU is running at 566 with a bus of 133 MHz, the multiplier should be 4,2556 (not allowed) or if bus is 100 then 5,66 (also not possible). So unless you already overclocked you FSB I don't understand what is going on here .

10-15-2004, 07:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
the hunter getting hitched Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,655	If it is a celleron, couldnt she drop in a 950 cell like I did with this one? I was thinking of the biggest possible bang for the least amount of dollars. This board is an aopen ax33, and had a 128 ram, and a 633 celleron. going to the 950, and 512 of ram made a big difference.

10-15-2004, 07:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
igalan PCTT Articles Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Barcelona, SPAIN Posts: 1,018	If the BIOS supports this, the mobo can run at 100 MHz instead of 66 MHz and memory is PC-100 no problem. But there are many variables, and IBM computers are not designed for easy upgrades...

10-15-2004, 10:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
the hunter getting hitched Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,655	Ok Cally, those 2 sticks should work ok, as I recall, its just that the fastest stick will run at the speed of the slowest stick. there is not enough varriation to make any difference.