Advice for new ADSL setup

Darren Lewis · 10-22-2003, 05:30 AM

I'm moving house soon and need some advice about my new broadband setup.

Current Setup:-
NTL Cable Broadband.
NTL Cable modem connected via ethernet cable to
Linksys BEFW11S4 Wireless access point router with 4-port switch.
Three PCs with standard 10/100 NICs wired into the router.
Laptop with Linksys Wireless PCMCIA Card.

New Setup:-
BT Phone Line with ADSL
New ADSL ISP (?provider, probably PIPEX).

The new house doesn't have a phone line in the second bedroom, so the ADSL will come into the lounge.

My question is how to get the internet to my second bedroom without adding another phone point in the second bedroom (it's a rental apartment so I can't do too much to the structure of the building)?

Options:-

1. Get a wireless ADSL modem/router (eg Netgear) - can that "talk" to my current Linksys BEFW11S4? How would I setup the Bridge between the two and still let my laptop be wirless?

2. Get a wireless ADSL modem/router and go completely wireless with a wireless NIC in my two PCs. Sell off the Linksys BEFW11S4.
I don't really want to go this way as I want to keep my existing wired hardware including printserver. Buying 3 wireless PCI cards at £50 each is expensive.

3. Get an ethernet ADSL modem, and put the Linksys BEFW11S4 in the lounge - I would still need to get wireless cards for the pcs in the second bedroom.

I know the Linksys WAP11 can be put in bridging mode, can the BEFW11S4 do the same?

Any ideas?

Kungfucious · 10-22-2003, 06:10 AM

why dont you simply run an extra network cable.. get a coloured one to suit your walls or whatever so that it doesnt show too much.. a couple of meters of RJ45 wont set you back that much and a few wall pins to hold it all in place for a few bob extra.

thats the cheapest soloution and one that will cause the least disruption, well, appart from wireless.

My house has 3 computers all linked via cables that ive run through the house simply by making holes into the ceiling and then running the cables.. its really simple. Once your done, you patch up the holes and bobs your uncle.. nice, clean finish, and you cant see any wires!

Lazy Dog · 10-22-2003, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by Kungfucious
why dont you simply run an extra network cable.. get a coloured one to suit your walls or whatever so that it doesnt show too much.. a couple of meters of RJ45 wont set you back that much and a few wall pins to hold it all in place for a few bob extra.

thats the cheapest soloution and one that will cause the least disruption, well, appart from wireless.

My house has 3 computers all linked via cables that ive run through the house simply by making holes into the ceiling and then running the cables.. its really simple. Once your done, you patch up the holes and bobs your uncle.. nice, clean finish, and you cant see any wires!

Yes that worked the best solution for me too(with my 2 pc's)

Hollowpoint · 10-22-2003, 11:25 AM

yep, sounds like a case of internet connection sharing to me, or build or buy yourself a router, and connect other pcs to it

try www.freesco.org for some free router software

Darren Lewis · 10-22-2003, 12:30 PM

Thanks for the replies, but I think you've misunderstood my problem.

I can't run wires through the ceiling/walls - it's a rental apartment and my landlord would not allow that. I don't want to trail wires around the walls/floors and over the carpets.

I've already got a router with a wireless access point (The linksys BEFW11S4).

I think I need a wireless bridge to bridge from the ADSL modem/router setup in the lounge to my wired LAN in bedroom two.

I'm looking at the Linksys WET11 or the WAP11 (in wireless client mode).

igalan · 10-23-2003, 05:31 AM

If I understand, you have a DSL modem in a different place than the wired network, and you want to connect the DSL to the network, right? You can do this with another access point (bridging both), or you could use the access point with the DSL modem (if it has Ethernet), and use one of the computers with a wireles adapter as a proxy server. Depends on the price of another access point or another wireless adapter.

Darren Lewis · 10-24-2003, 06:11 PM

Hi,

Thanks for replying - that's exactly what I want to do.

This diagram on the LinkSys website shows what I need.

I think the LinkSys WET11 Bridge will do what I need. I'll need to get a switch too.

The idea of proxy server sounds interesting. How does that work and what software/OS would I need?

Thanks.

igalan · 10-24-2003, 08:50 PM

A software Proxy is a program that is run on a computer that has access to Internet and allows other computers in the network to connect to the Internet using the Proxy. You can find freeware Proxies for Windows.

Pros: cheap, usually easy to set up and run, provides some anonymity (because all connections are made by the proxy hiding the computer that is really doing the request)

Cons: You need the computer running the proxy always on to be able to use the internet on any other computer (for this reason many people use an old computer only to run the proxy software.), software must support Internet connection via Proxy (most do, but some not -like P2P-)

If you go the hardware route (bridging) be sure to get two AP of the same model and with support for bridging, or you can find that it's not possible because of incompatibilities...

10-22-2003, 05:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
Darren Lewis Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Posts: 11	Advice for new ADSL setup I'm moving house soon and need some advice about my new broadband setup. Current Setup:- NTL Cable Broadband. NTL Cable modem connected via ethernet cable to Linksys BEFW11S4 Wireless access point router with 4-port switch. Three PCs with standard 10/100 NICs wired into the router. Laptop with Linksys Wireless PCMCIA Card. New Setup:- BT Phone Line with ADSL New ADSL ISP (?provider, probably PIPEX). The new house doesn't have a phone line in the second bedroom, so the ADSL will come into the lounge. My question is how to get the internet to my second bedroom without adding another phone point in the second bedroom (it's a rental apartment so I can't do too much to the structure of the building)? Options:- 1. Get a wireless ADSL modem/router (eg Netgear) - can that "talk" to my current Linksys BEFW11S4? How would I setup the Bridge between the two and still let my laptop be wirless? 2. Get a wireless ADSL modem/router and go completely wireless with a wireless NIC in my two PCs. Sell off the Linksys BEFW11S4. I don't really want to go this way as I want to keep my existing wired hardware including printserver. Buying 3 wireless PCI cards at £50 each is expensive. 3. Get an ethernet ADSL modem, and put the Linksys BEFW11S4 in the lounge - I would still need to get wireless cards for the pcs in the second bedroom. I know the Linksys WAP11 can be put in bridging mode, can the BEFW11S4 do the same? Any ideas?

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10-22-2003, 12:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Darren Lewis Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Posts: 11	Thanks for the replies, but I think you've misunderstood my problem. I can't run wires through the ceiling/walls - it's a rental apartment and my landlord would not allow that. I don't want to trail wires around the walls/floors and over the carpets. I've already got a router with a wireless access point (The linksys BEFW11S4). I think I need a wireless bridge to bridge from the ADSL modem/router setup in the lounge to my wired LAN in bedroom two. I'm looking at the Linksys WET11 or the WAP11 (in wireless client mode).

10-23-2003, 05:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
igalan PCTT Articles Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Barcelona, SPAIN Posts: 1,018	If I understand, you have a DSL modem in a different place than the wired network, and you want to connect the DSL to the network, right? You can do this with another access point (bridging both), or you could use the access point with the DSL modem (if it has Ethernet), and use one of the computers with a wireles adapter as a proxy server. Depends on the price of another access point or another wireless adapter.

10-24-2003, 06:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Darren Lewis Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Posts: 11	Hi, Thanks for replying - that's exactly what I want to do. This diagram on the LinkSys website shows what I need. I think the LinkSys WET11 Bridge will do what I need. I'll need to get a switch too. The idea of proxy server sounds interesting. How does that work and what software/OS would I need? Thanks.

10-24-2003, 08:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
igalan PCTT Articles Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Barcelona, SPAIN Posts: 1,018	A software Proxy is a program that is run on a computer that has access to Internet and allows other computers in the network to connect to the Internet using the Proxy. You can find freeware Proxies for Windows. Pros: cheap, usually easy to set up and run, provides some anonymity (because all connections are made by the proxy hiding the computer that is really doing the request) Cons: You need the computer running the proxy always on to be able to use the internet on any other computer (for this reason many people use an old computer only to run the proxy software.), software must support Internet connection via Proxy (most do, but some not -like P2P-) If you go the hardware route (bridging) be sure to get two AP of the same model and with support for bridging, or you can find that it's not possible because of incompatibilities...