AMD help

ABOU · 05-20-2003, 10:51 AM

right i have a pentium3 550 mhtz proceesor and i wish to upgrade to something alot faster i am leaning toward and amd xp but i am not sure which one

i know that the pentium 4 is good but am unaware of speeds so what is the faster p4 or amd xp ...

this would be a great help

LPDad · 05-20-2003, 12:05 PM

AMD AthlonXP 2500+ (Barton)
currently avail for $135
After burn in some people have even been able to overclock it to an ACTUAL clock speed of 2500...which would make it approx equiv to 3100+

igalan · 05-20-2003, 04:05 PM

The fastest Intel processor is the new Intel Pentium 4 3,00 GHz. It's faster than the P4 3,06 GHz because runs with quad pump 200 MHz FSB (800 MHz effective, but you need a mobo with the Canterwood chipset).

The fastest AMD is XP3200+. However its name, it's not always faster than a P4 3,00 GHz.

BTW, I would choose AMD. More bang for your money!

(in fact I now have a XP2000+ not o/c).

ABOU · 05-20-2003, 05:41 PM

well ithink im am going for the athon i am not sure its all about value for money so if the amd will be better for longer i think it is the choice

orb36O · 05-20-2003, 08:53 PM

That should clear stuff up for AMD...

The new P4 is actually clocked at 3.0 Ghz, the AMD 3200+ is only 2.7Ghz (i believe, look at the chart...)

If you take the fan off a P4, it will not overheat, it is a feature built in that slows the processor to a crawl if the fan goes out... (this does give an overall performance hit if you don't use liquid cooling)

Take the fan off an Athlon... bye bye Athlon...

Athlons are MUCH easier to overclock... 2 reasons:
1. built in dip switch port for overclocking
2. no overheating protection

But, since Athlon has decided to go the way of deception... I don't know... tough decision, but for me: Nvidia + Athlon = Ahhhhh

ABOU · 05-21-2003, 03:38 AM

so if i can get a good fan the amd will be better but the new pentiunm is clocked at a higher speed well this is confusin

igalan · 05-21-2003, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by orb36O
The new P4 is actually clocked at 3.0 Ghz, the AMD 3200+ is only 2.7Ghz (i believe, look at the chart...)

The AMD is clocked at 2175 MHz in fact (or 2200 MHz, not sure).

Quote:

If you take the fan off a P4, it will not overheat, it is a feature built in that slows the processor to a crawl if the fan goes out... (this does give an overall performance hit if you don't use liquid cooling).Take the fan off an Athlon... bye bye Athlon...

Newer AMD CPUs do have some heat protection, that along with the motherboard effectively protect the CPU against this. But I'm not willing to test it

.

Quote:

But, since Athlon has decided to go the way of deception... I don't know... tough decision, but for me: Nvidia + Athlon = Ahhhhh

I don't know what you mean with this :huh

igalan · 05-21-2003, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by abou105
so if i can get a good fan the amd will be better but the new pentiunm is clocked at a higher speed well this is confusin

MHz per MHz AMD is faster because its different architecture. If you compare an AMD XP2600+ with a P4 2,6 GHz, both will perform almost equally, but the AMD is running at only 2.13GHz. However the AMD will dissipate 10W more operating 10 to 15º degrees celsius hotter than the Intel.

The naming convention of AMD is not the core frequancy (as Intel does) but something that tries to reflect how fast is compared with a Intel P4 (more or less

). So AMD XP2600+ is like Intel P4 2,6 Ghz. XP2400+ like P4 2,4 GHz and so on.

LPDad · 05-21-2003, 07:23 AM

Just stick a good HSF or other cooling on an athlon= no problems.

Athlons are less expensive...and therefore a better value. (unless you are into removing your HSF while the 'puter is running)

if you compare an Athlon and a P-4 running at the same clock speed--- AMD blows the P-4 away every time.

but it is like politics-- some people like AMD, some people like Intel...

orb36O · 05-21-2003, 02:01 PM

By deception I mean AMD has pasted the number 3100+ on the box in big letters when the actual speed is only 2100.

ABOU · 05-21-2003, 03:54 PM

well why would they do that ?? i dunno every1 i have spoken to uses amd but they say they have had thier fair share of problems along with the up sides so ??

phalkon30 · 05-21-2003, 07:27 PM

I have benchmarked my dads 2.4ghz p4 with the 533mhz fsb against my 1800+ Athlon, and in many tests my 1800+ beat his. While thats not conclusive, it seems to be a common trend, the AMD processors just perform better in many functions

I've heard that P4 machines are good for media ripping/playing, while the AMD machines are better at gaming

AMD also seems to be cheaper, and I've never had a problem with them, but thats my oppinion, like LP said, its like polotics, you'll get a million answers to this thread, and it will still be 50/50 AMD/Intel, so go with the cheapest equivalent

ABOU · 05-22-2003, 03:38 AM

rite it is settled then the amd it is

05-20-2003, 10:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
ABOU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NORTHERN IRELAND Posts: 460	AMD help right i have a pentium3 550 mhtz proceesor and i wish to upgrade to something alot faster i am leaning toward and amd xp but i am not sure which one i know that the pentium 4 is good but am unaware of speeds so what is the faster p4 or amd xp ... this would be a great help

05-20-2003, 12:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
LPDad Admin & "Fixer" Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Costa Mesa, CA Posts: 2,293	AMD AthlonXP 2500+ (Barton) currently avail for $135 After burn in some people have even been able to overclock it to an ACTUAL clock speed of 2500...which would make it approx equiv to 3100+ __________________ We don't need no stink'n TechSupport We ARE TechSupport. *LPDad* Administrator

05-20-2003, 08:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
orb36O x4841434B4552 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 254	That should clear stuff up for AMD... The new P4 is actually clocked at 3.0 Ghz, the AMD 3200+ is only 2.7Ghz (i believe, look at the chart...) If you take the fan off a P4, it will not overheat, it is a feature built in that slows the processor to a crawl if the fan goes out... (this does give an overall performance hit if you don't use liquid cooling) Take the fan off an Athlon... bye bye Athlon... Athlons are MUCH easier to overclock... 2 reasons: 1. built in dip switch port for overclocking 2. no overheating protection But, since Athlon has decided to go the way of deception... I don't know... tough decision, but for me: Nvidia + Athlon = Ahhhhh __________________ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s+:-- a--- C++++ UL++ P+ L++ E W++ N-- o-- K- w++ O- M-- V- PS-- PE++ Y PGP t+ 5- X- R !tv b++ DI+++ D+ G e h !r z? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Decode Here Used to have a sig, but the friggin' sites don't allow remote linking... Last edited by orb36O; 05-20-2003 at 09:01 PM.

05-21-2003, 07:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
LPDad Admin & "Fixer" Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Costa Mesa, CA Posts: 2,293	Just stick a good HSF or other cooling on an athlon= no problems. Athlons are less expensive...and therefore a better value. (unless you are into removing your HSF while the 'puter is running) if you compare an Athlon and a P-4 running at the same clock speed--- AMD blows the P-4 away every time. but it is like politics-- some people like AMD, some people like Intel... __________________ We don't need no stink'n TechSupport We ARE TechSupport. *LPDad* Administrator

05-21-2003, 02:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
orb36O x4841434B4552 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 254	By deception I mean AMD has pasted the number 3100+ on the box in big letters when the actual speed is only 2100. __________________ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s+:-- a--- C++++ UL++ P+ L++ E W++ N-- o-- K- w++ O- M-- V- PS-- PE++ Y PGP t+ 5- X- R !tv b++ DI+++ D+ G e h !r z? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Decode Here Used to have a sig, but the friggin' sites don't allow remote linking...

05-20-2003, 04:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
igalan PCTT Articles Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Barcelona, SPAIN Posts: 1,018	The fastest Intel processor is the new Intel Pentium 4 3,00 GHz. It's faster than the P4 3,06 GHz because runs with quad pump 200 MHz FSB (800 MHz effective, but you need a mobo with the Canterwood chipset). The fastest AMD is XP3200+. However its name, it's not always faster than a P4 3,00 GHz. BTW, I would choose AMD. More bang for your money! (in fact I now have a XP2000+ not o/c).

05-20-2003, 05:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
ABOU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NORTHERN IRELAND Posts: 460	well ithink im am going for the athon i am not sure its all about value for money so if the amd will be better for longer i think it is the choice

05-21-2003, 03:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
ABOU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NORTHERN IRELAND Posts: 460	so if i can get a good fan the amd will be better but the new pentiunm is clocked at a higher speed well this is confusin

05-21-2003, 03:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
ABOU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NORTHERN IRELAND Posts: 460	well why would they do that ?? i dunno every1 i have spoken to uses amd but they say they have had thier fair share of problems along with the up sides so ??

05-21-2003, 07:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
phalkon30 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 110	I have benchmarked my dads 2.4ghz p4 with the 533mhz fsb against my 1800+ Athlon, and in many tests my 1800+ beat his. While thats not conclusive, it seems to be a common trend, the AMD processors just perform better in many functions I've heard that P4 machines are good for media ripping/playing, while the AMD machines are better at gaming AMD also seems to be cheaper, and I've never had a problem with them, but thats my oppinion, like LP said, its like polotics, you'll get a million answers to this thread, and it will still be 50/50 AMD/Intel, so go with the cheapest equivalent __________________ Stuff

05-22-2003, 03:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
ABOU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NORTHERN IRELAND Posts: 460	rite it is settled then the amd it is

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