Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

[Wobbel]

Questions and Answers about Foreign Policy
(and the U.S. Invasion of Iraq)

I would like to hear some feedback on this from an American....

[blackspawn]

ah ah /me goes and send this to all his friends

[backmann]

heh, I got that by mail. It was very funny, but at the same time it does have a point so... I don't know what to think...

Ivan
In the dark we make a brighter light

[vernarial]

When the idea of going to war with Iraq was first being mentioned up until about halfway through the war I was all for it. Not because of WMD, but because I didn't like Saddam, and really believed the Iraqii citizens would be better off. I still believe this, even with the continuing problems. However I started asking alot of the same questions as the conversation between the father and son in this thread. It is sad to say that alot of Americans really think and believe like the father. I have since, through more research, found out how bad our government acted in the situation surrounding the war in Iraq, and many other international situations. I guess my opinion is most politicians are, or eventually become corrupt, and the only reason they get away with it is because we let them. I now believe we should not have gone to war in Iraq. The whole concept of a pre-emptive strike is horribly wrong.
Anyway the little story/conversation was good. Hopefully it will make others realize how twisted our government really is, and how they are twisting young american minds.

[blackspawn]

IMO the politician "cast" should never have been created, the only thing they do is twist and manipulate information, lie and deceit (but never openly and never EVER admiting it) and only work for their own advancement and prosperity... Yes not all off them are like this but the very enviroment they live in (meeting, talking and taking advice from other politicians) makes them captive by the "Dark Side".

It comes to mind that little UK show called "Yes Prime Minister".

[igalan]

It's a really difficult problem. Even if you don't count mass destruction weapons. And the USA and UK are partly to blame in the way Iraq has evolved since around 1960 when the country was created (as the "republic" that was before the war). Their actions in the past have part of the responsibility of how the country evolved.

And if the problem was Saddam Hussein, where is James Bond?!?! Ok, seriously, it was that difficult to try to force the "retirement" of Saddam if that was the whole problem? Has been easier to engage a war then? What did the countries that supported the military intervention think what would happen after the war? Who designed the transition after the war? There are many questions and few answers. I don't know what to think yet.

[~*LdY*LaFFs*~]

From the eyes of babies grow innocence. So simple is the root of truth...

[igalan]

Originally posted by ~*LdY*LaFFs*~
From the eyes of babies grow innocence. So simple is the root of truth...

Answer something. If you know the attack of September 11th originated from a country that has terrorist groups, and they do nothing to stop them neither allow you to do anything either, what're your options? (I'm playing advocate of the devil, if you know what I mean ). Or what happened with the Talibans; they were not the majority, but they had enough force to oppose everybody else. Not easy on my eyes!

[NitnayLion]

To say that the reason we attacked Iraq was because of WMD is only a half truth. I am not an expert on the complete matter but I do recall Iraq being in violation of a number of UN resolutions. Resolutions I might add that were a condition to end the war that Iraq started back in 1990. So the way I see it this latest war was just finishing what was started over 13 years ago.

Where the WMD are is still left to be found. One thing that is sure is that Iraq did have them up till 1995 . Even the UN said so. What happened to them is the big question.

Heres a good question. What happened to the Billions of Dollars from the UN's "Oil for Food" program ? From some of the reports I have seen on this so far it looks like France and the UN and a few other countries were on the take.

Could that be why they wanted things left the way they were ?

Can anyone reading this say that the people of Iraq are worse off now than they were a year ago ? I for one don't.

[Wobbel]

I do recall Iraq being in violation of a number of UN resolutions.

UN resolutions.... How about Israel, they don't give a f**** about UN resolutions.

How about cruel dictators, Africa is loaded with them.... (where are the liberators ?)

I still think Iraq had to do with some personall Bush vendetta, daddy couldn't do it, jr. says, look daddy what i can do....

And i hate it, that whenever i turn on the news, x more Americans or Europeans (Spain, Italy, Poland, etc) are killed by iraqi "forces" or terrorists, or whatever they call themselves.
I mean the war is over, so all those guys are just murdered, not war victims.

I don't know if you American guys have seen that footage of those american civillians, murdered in their cars by a handgranate, burned to death, their corpses beaten, dragged through the streets behind a car, and finally their corpses hanged on a bridge.
It was on the 8 o'clock news here in Holland, and that was when i thought, leave those sick b**terds, just say goodbye and leave.

[blackspawn]

Originally posted by NitnayLion
Can anyone reading this say that the people of Iraq are worse off now than they were a year ago ? I for one don't.

So what you are saying is, "US was right to invade iraq because they were being opressed by an evil tyrant." Then why doesn't the US (read bush administration) do the same thing with the dozens of other countries out there that have tyrants as rulers? Is it because those countries don't have oil they can take? or is it because it's not a strategic point for having a permanent military base?

Who gives the US the right to decide who is in need of "liberation". On thing is for a population to ask for international help (or in situations of crisis the international community "unilateraly" decide to "help" a country). But that's not what the US did!! They said "Iraq has WMD let's get them! you can joins us if you want but we couldn't care less if you aprove or not" (of course they didn't said it so bluntly but that was the general message)

Now since they didn't find WMD (how could they?) excuses like the quote above are the first one to appear "Well we didn't find WMD but at least the iraqi ppl are better off". Yeah they are better off... close to a civil war but at least they are not opressed...

Don't take it personaly NitnayLion this is just my opinion on the action of the bush administration. personnaly electing him was a very big mistake (I hope he gets the boot this time around)

[~*LdY*LaFFs*~]

Originally posted by igalan
Answer something. If you know the attack of September 11th originated from a country that has terrorist groups, and they do nothing to stop them neither allow you to do anything either, what're your options? (I'm playing advocate of the devil, if you know what I mean ). Or what happened with the Talibans; they were not the majority, but they had enough force to oppose everybody else. Not easy on my eyes!

If you're asking my opinion on whether 9/11 should go unanswered.... My answer is/was, "No."

[fluffyfluff]

I am usually reticent about voicing my opinions, since I am not very eloquent in expressing them.

It was on the 8 o'clock news here in Holland, and that was when i thought, leave those sick b**terds, just say goodbye and leave.

If we leave now, we will look like scared little puppies running away yipping with our tails tucked under. This would not serve GW's agenda. No way is he going to back down now. We wouldn't want him to look the fool we know he is, now would we?

We know WMD were safely passed into countries neighboring Iraq. If you don't believe that, then you've got your head up your bum. What were those caravans our intelligence picked up on going into Syria, hmm?

We have for years pissed off the Arab world by getting in bed with Isreal. This where much of the intense hatred of Americans and American policy comes from.

All in all, in my simple opinion, this war/occupation is a ruse to cover GW's vegenda against Saddam for trying to put hit out on daddy. Of course oil plays a deep deep factor in just about any war in the middle east.

[NitnayLion]

UN resolutions.... How about Israel, they don't give a f**** about UN resolutions.

How about cruel dictators, Africa is loaded with them.... (where are the liberators ?)

I'm sorry, I thought we talking about Iraq. I'm sure that if same circumstances were present in ether case the same thing would be done. Except for Israel it seems most of Europe would just love to wipe her off the face of the earth, and would jump on any bandwagon to do it,

So what you are saying is, "US was right to invade Iraq because they were being opressed by an evil tyrant."

NO!! I did not say THAT. Maybe you didn't read the begging of my post.

But that's not what the US did!! They said "Iraq has WMD let's get them!

No thats not what they did. To put it in a nutshell. The US said "Hey UN, Iraq has had over 13 years to disarm and comply with the conditions that stopped the Gulf War of 90-91 and she hasn't and her time is up". WMD was only part of it.

Yeah they are better off... close to a civil war but at least they are not opressed...

I live very close to two American Civil War Battlefields. At one of them there was over 2300 casualties were had in just one days fighting. I don't see whats going on in Iraq right now no way close to a civil war. BTW how many Europeans have ever died in a fight that ended slavery ?

this is just my opinion on the action of the bush administration. personnaly electing him was a very big mistake (I hope he gets the boot this time around)

Now I think we are getting to the real purpose of this thread.

*Edit* After rereading this I see I made mistake. I should have said 23000.

[FrYGuY]

Originally posted by fluffyfluff
If we leave now, we will look like scared little puppies running away yipping with our tails tucked under. This would not serve GW's agenda. No way is he going to back down now. We wouldn't want him to look the fool we know he is, now would we?

If the US leaves now, odds are the provisional government collapses.

If the provisional government collapses, odds are some new dictator will emerge.
If a new dictator emerges, NOBODY'S agenda would be served, least of all the people of Iraq.

Whatever your position on the war, I doubt many of you would claim that a new dictator in Iraq is a good thing.

Many of you have probably heard that nature abhors a vacuum, well human nature abhors a power vacuum.